"Those rights don't count": Bovino says Pretti forfeited 2nd Amendment rights

https://www.salon.com/2026/01/25/those-rights-dont-count-bovino-says-pretti-forfeited-2nd-amendment-rights-in-fatal-shooting/

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LercJan 25, 2026, 9:44 PM
So this will sound inflammatory to some, but please consider this as an analysis of the current situation and absolutely not an advocation of a course of action.

How many of you would see a group of masked ICE/Federal enforcement bearing down on a single individual on the ground and believe that there was an imminent and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent?

That is the standard for justifiable homicide.

I think if somone had have killed those ICE/Feds at that moment, the law as it is written would be on their side.

The reality is, of course, that the law as it is written is nothing if it is not upheld. It is not currently being upheld, the law in practice is what people have the power to do. That law is rudderless and flows as power shifts.

In lieu of any other anchor, people will inevitably seek the power to enforce their laws. That is a civil war,

They are creating this thin but clear line between where illegal use of violence is upheld and inviting legal use of violence to stop it from happening. That is perilously close to instigating such a civil war.

And I am not certain that it is unintentional.

hurubawJan 26, 2026, 12:37 AM
This. Laws mean nothing, if there is no one to enforce them. If a single elected leader can decide that only certain laws are enforced or how they are enforced, then you have no laws, or rights, you have a dictator.

Strong and ethical leaders with wide administrative powers (="good dictators") make nations very strong, effective and capable of adapting to anything. But this is such a two edged sword, that most countries have removed most of presidents (or monarchs) administrative powers, even at the cost of weakening themselves. Mostly due to having a "bad experience" in their histories.

DustinEchoesJan 25, 2026, 8:52 PM
I’ll support any opposition candidate/leader that promises Nuremberg 2.0 for these treasonous assholes.
johngJan 25, 2026, 11:41 PM
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DustinEchoesJan 26, 2026, 12:41 AM
> Some would say more, and more egregiously?

Well, they’d be wrong. Your coy whataboutism is only going to look more ridiculous as time goes on.

duxupJan 26, 2026, 12:48 AM
Bro:

https://np.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlvpgy/better_...

We got a whole government lying about what happened there, memos about ICE being and to enter homes without a warrant, them actually doing it… it’s not a mystery.

treetalkerJan 26, 2026, 2:38 AM
You know, with Bovino, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him.
legitsterJan 25, 2026, 9:34 PM
I was once pulled over by a police officer when I was a teenager. I was let off with a warning, but he was sure to give me a little speech that culminated with "driving is a privilege in this country - not a right".

Only later did it dawn on me how messed up his speech was - we do not have any rights except those which law enforcement allow us to have.

I absolutely believe in the necessity of police and respect officers who do the job. But there's a reason they must always be bound and subservient to civilian oversight and the court system.

These are positions of power. They are inherently going to attract the worst kinds of people and carve out special privileges for themselves. People who think order and authority and respect are more important than nerdy, pedantic laws.

rolphJan 25, 2026, 9:42 PM
its true, driving is not a right, its not so true that driving is a privilege, as if your being rewarded for being a good boy.

driving is a regulated activity, and you are licensed to "drive" after being trained, qualified, and certified by an examiner.

this is state legislation, and not in the frame of constitutional law.

mickle00Jan 25, 2026, 8:46 PM
is it true if you don't use it, you lose it?
rolphJan 25, 2026, 9:28 PM
no its not true, constitutional rights and responsibilities are durable.

what is true, is that individual states, may "decorate" or amend [the interpretation of] constitutional legislation, and at times may enact what amounts to a defacto revocation of constitutional law.

here is where you will loose it if you dont use it and speak up about a state overreaching "states rights".

one example being 2nd amendment, vs concealed carry laws.

_wire_Jan 25, 2026, 9:56 PM
Does this overview of the "origins of the 2nd amendment" sound legitimate?

//The Second Amendment arose from English rights, colonial experiences with oppressive British rule, and fears of a powerful federal government, codifying the right to bear arms for a "well regulated Militia" to ensure self-defense and resistance against tyranny, balancing state militias with potential federal power. It drew from the English Bill of Rights (1689) and was championed by Anti-Federalists concerned about disarming citizens, leading to its inclusion in the Bill of Rights to reassure states and individuals.//

Is there any constitutional principle more fiercely supported by U.S. Republicans than the 2nd ammendment?

The U.S. was founded on opportunistic immigration. Was there ever a question about the legitimacy of immigration to the founding of the U.S.? No. Only battles over who gets to police it.

So it is merely a narrow, self-serving concern of consolidated authority of this Republican administration that is on display with ICE. Racism.

rolphJan 25, 2026, 10:23 PM
a well regulated militia, is not only one that operates effectively, but is also subject to checks and balances offered by the people [citizens].

the non-infringement of the right to bear arms includes common citizens, and not just militia.

a well regulated militia, is one that may be subjugated by the people in the case of tyrannical deployment.

TrasmattaJan 25, 2026, 8:49 PM
> We respect that Second Amendment right, but those rights don’t count when you riot and assault, delay, obstruct, and impede law enforcement officers — and most especially when you mean to do that beforehand.

Absurd. None of those things happened. Not to mention the accusation of a thought crime. (Once again, without evidence. Bovino just claims he "meant to do that beforehand".)

They just make up shit now, without even the pretense of evidence.

DivingForGoldJan 25, 2026, 10:13 PM
Every American who does not have limitations such as a felony conviction has the right to exercise his or her 2nd amendment rights, hopefully for defense. The guy may have felt like he needed to be able to be prepared to defend himself against protesters of the opposing side, or perhaps the crime rate is a bit high in that district. Maybe he always carries heat for protection.

But should someone bring a gun to a protest ? I think not.

I believe the gun was not the issue when multiple agents took him to the ground and shot him. I believe the gun was found later, after the fact, heck, it could even have been a "throw down" gun. I personally knew a fellow who used to be a police officer in Texas who told me point blank that every officer he knew in the department carried a "throw down" weapon of some sort, presumably so they could justify a deadly action.

recursivecaveatJan 26, 2026, 1:50 AM
Some agent had already grabbed the gun and was running off with it when the 1st shot was fired. It's not possible to argue he was threatening them with it or something then, there was 6+ feet and several people inbetween him and the gun. https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md7banbjks2x