While you yourself think Palantir’s products are “like Excel” ?
They are not. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam...
Also, I don't see anything in your link that contradicts the fact that governments' data remains in the custody of the government, not Palantir.
Peter Thiel shows up A LOT in those files. I don’t think it’s out of the question that he would use palantir’s data to assassinate people.
You realize that this is not mutually exclusive with what I just wrote?
Palantir builds software for military and security purposes. But the customers don't give this data to Palantir, custody of this data remains with the customer.
It's not like tech companies deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to trust anymore, if they ever did
How is that possible if Palantir software runs on machines Palantir controls?
People seem to struggle with the concept of private datacenters these days. Palantir customers tend to be the sorts of orgs that are pretty paranoid about their data, and they wouldn't be handing it over to some schmucks without being confident that those concerns were addressed. Militaries and governments generally aren't fuckin around with things like intelligence data, so I think it's reasonable that Palantir is able to make a convincing case to the world's most paranoid orgs that their data isn't being sent anywhere (and it'd likely be air gapped anyway).
Just because everything you touch is in the cloud doesn't mean other orgs aren't still building their own datacenters and then buying software to run inside.
am close with a few employees there
What’s up with all these Palantir shills in this thread
You and all the trolls in this thread can keep playing dumb
> It also includes a line stating that with permission from the city agency, Palantir can “de-identify” patients’ protected health information and use it for “purposes other than research”.
Under HIPPA, "research" has a very specific definition which renders "purposes other than research" quite broad. Yes, it's "with permission" but it does depend on the city agency fully understanding what ancillary things Palantir can do with de-identified data once it has left the covered entity and without further explicit permission.
Government and 365 is weird.
Non-military entities use “Government Community Cloud”, which is an environment where data is stored in segmented areas of Microsoft data centers, but everything else is on commercial infrastructure.
You absolutely can host keys as a customer.
The Microsoft approach to all of this stuff is insane.
If even sovereign states with clear laws forbidding such behavior can't keep those companies in check, no enterprise/b2b can.
After DOGE, a movement Palantir aided [1], I think it's fair for folks to wonder to what degree these firms have been infiltrated by extremists. Someone who will convince themselves that exporting data to ICE or the Proud Boys—like the names of every New Yorker whose medical records say they are gay, circumcised or have had an abortion—is the right thing to do. (Or at least funny and inconsequential.)
It's a risk. Not a conclusion. But given Palantir's offering is becoming less differentiated by the day, I think it's fair for people to look for alternatives.
[1] https://www.wired.com/story/palantir-doge-irs-mega-api-data/
https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/ontology-sdk/python-os...
No, Palantir's customers are the ones gleaning insights. To re-use the Excel analogy, this is like saying Microsoft is controlling insights and outcomes because organization use Excel.
As far as I know, Microsoft executives don't brag about Excel being used to create a unified "kill chain" [1], nor do they market software intended for targeting for weapons of mass destruction [2], nor do they claim that their products are designed for use in lethal military operations [3].
As much as you'd like to hand-waive away their role, a war profiteer is a war profiteer. IBM also used to just make computers to manage supply chains in WW2; who they sold it to, the purposes it was used for, and why they sold it is still important. Based on interviews, Thiel and Karp are gleeful about their role in the military-industrial complex and embrace it [4], so likening their products to Excel is disingenuous at best.
[1] https://www.palantir.com/platforms/gotham/
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam...
[3] https://www.heise.de/en/news/Palantir-defends-its-role-in-th...
[4] https://futurism.com/future-society/palantir-ceo-war-crimes
hmmmmmm
Yea.. like.. how, though?
Here are their setup instructions. It seems pretty clear what is happening to your data, and an unqualified statement that you maintain some nebulous idea of "custody" seems oblivious to even simple risk.
https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/data-connection/initia...
This isn't even getting into their "forward deployed software engineers" or how that whole aspect of their "product" works.
Custody enforcement using the cloud hosted product, is mostly contractual, although they do offer some technical features, like encrypting all data using a AWS KMS key in the customer's AWS account.
Still, this relies on trusting that they won't make their own separate copies of the data.
pinky promise?
76 points by fauigerzigerk 6 months ago | 7 comments
That said I also recognize the moral dilemma and understand why they'd pull out. Frankly I'm surprised they did much work with hospitals at all
If he's stated an actual intent to end democracy in the US, it'd be good to cite that.
His vision of statehood is autocratic in that he emphasises efficiency and progress which can only be achieved via a CEO-like government. Please watch the interview with Joe Rogan.
https://www.thecanary.co/skwawkbox/2026/02/17/palantir-piss/
Why should we feel good about him running any company.
So it’s a trust problem, if the government were seen as effective and worthy then I want them to be effective, which includes using the data they collect effectively. In this climate trendy people would prefer that their corrupt government is also fully incompetent to limit the effect of the corruption.
They build immigrant databases and help ICE (a corrupt agency performing illegal, unethical and unamerican agenda) find people to deport.
Hopefully people here can see past this aloof act you’ve got going on.
Hope the compensation is worth being a bottom feeder
This reminds of back when DOGE was doing its rounds and all of sudden there were waves of posts with the same tone making the same argument.
The broader point is Palantir's specific confluence of:
- access to granular, non-anonymized data across industry silos
- its chairman's specific pro-authoritarian mission (so pointedly so that the Catholic Church felt the need to make a specific rebuke a few days ago [1])
- a regulatory environment in which its monetary risks are arguably minimized if it takes the broadest possible reading of e.g. HIPAA's law enforcement exceptions that mention "written administrative requests" [2]
- documented concerns about governance [3]
Those concerned with this confluence are far from conspiracy theorists, and may be quite rationally interested in protecting e.g. the public reputation of their hospital networks, and ability to service - to say nothing of their desire to protect the privacy of their patients.
[0] https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2026-03-24/and...
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/17/world/europe/peter-thiel-... - https://archive.is/2EOXa
[2] https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/505/what-doe...
[3] https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/letter-to-palantir-techn...
That seems like an interesting discussion though. Why would it be necessary?
The weight of this argument rests on how much you care about being in range of MRBMs, how likely you think it is that MRBMs will be a decisive factor in a future conflict, and whether or not you want the United States to be victorious in this potential conflict. Many people do not care about this threat, don't think MRBMs will matter, and/or want the United States to lose. I am not one of those people.
(1) missile defense systems based on deep data fusion with cutting-edge espionage systems for launch detection are becoming increasingly useful and necessary
(2) we should be thoughtful that these types of espionage fusion systems could also be used for domestic surveillance, and advocate for close scrutiny and oversight of these systems
(3) a healthcare administrator can make a rational argument that their patient information should not be handled by the same company building those espionage-advised data fusion systems... lest the close relationship with government quietly transform into unauthorized data sharing with other government actors, without clear paths towards legal recourse if this were to occur, and with potentially irrevocable consequences for patients
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty
"bars states party to the treaty from placing weapons of mass destruction in Earth orbit, installing them on the Moon or any other celestial body, or otherwise stationing them in outer space"
but 1. today's sentiment is: to hell with these treaties-schmeaties, and 2. what you mentioned is not yet a weapon of _mass_ destruction, so we're all good!
> - access to granular, non-anonymized data across industry silos
Do you have evidence that Palantir itself - not customers using Palantir software - has access to this data?
And really, I don't think anyone wants to "oh sweet summer child" you in your doubts here, but it's really extremely hard to not want to just... gesture around the world right now and ask why you still believe in some kind of sanctity or infallibility of something like the legal contract or other various forms of de jure "accountability" when it comes to tech companies, especially one as big as this.
This is basically saying you have the same DB schema on your dev environment as you do on prod. If anyone made that kind leap in logic, I would conclude they have little to no technical know how.
Mostly because hating Palantir is a trendy leftist virtue signal. Defund ICE being another one. Defund the police was trendy five years ago, but is no longer popular.
Left: They kill babies and have your poop data.
Right: They are so much more than that. That have super intelligence AI with drone puppetry. Have you seen the leaked dashboards!
Just saying.
spyware
Are the other spyware companies that you mention in your post also rebranding as "AI" firms?
Of course. Everyone is an AI firm now.
A weapon system capable of targeting any person on Earth controlled by a mass surveillance company. Wonderful.
They work with law enforcement agencies and help them process data they legally collect into other government databases. Their main product is merging data from various databases and adding a UI layer for analysis.
Basically, Palantir is a data integration company that works for government and larges businesses under contract. Some data they get hired to work on includes surveillance data and military intelligence collection.
It's on prem at the customer.
In a healthcare context, internal pricing and patient data are heavily protected by law. If Palantir were as guilty of surveilling your medical data as you allege, that would be tremendously illegal, and companies much larger and more influential would have strong legal grounds to sue it into oblivion. If you think Palantir has a tight grip on the government, consider the influence of the health systems it works with—some of which are the largest employers in their states. The idea that an all-powerful company can control the government doesn’t make sense if smaller companies, which donate less, are somehow exerting unchecked control over larger ones.
Of course, most of these concerns stem from two things: (1) its approach to autonomous warfare and (2) concerns about immigration surveillance. Autonomous warfare is coming, whether you like it or not. Palantir’s role in that is not related to its work in the commercial sector—unless you're suggesting they’re holding back potential revenue by not selling highly advanced robotics to corporate clients. Concerns about immigration surveillance are also somewhat overstated because, again, Palantir legally cannot use data from its commercial work (unless one of its clients severely mismanaged their contract). In that case, it’s really the U.S. government you should be criticizing — not the contractor simply trying to make money.
Also bullshit that they don't store data.
That’s only making European entrepreneurs salivate at all of that sweet EU funding they can suck up to replicate PLTR in service of their sovereignty initiatives.
Everyone knows what's going on, but also everyone is too afraid to stand up for some reason.
Thiel is another incredibly bizarre creep, and he sits as the chairman of the board. Both are very tightly associated with the Trump crime syndicate and the US government, which increasingly is the world's #1 threat, and should be treated as equally dangerous.
Massive military that has bombed ten or so countries in the past year, overthrown a couple more, threatened close allies such that they're getting blood supplies ready and bombs to remove runways. Enormous nuclear arsenal, all in the hands of self-dealing criminal halfwit pathological liar with malignant narcissism as the country flushes down the toilet. A "Department of War" leader who is a simpleton alcoholic clown who rails off "give me tough guy speeches" that he got from ChatGPT, gloating about blatantly illegal -- both in international and US laws -- war crimes, including murdering people in boats just by rebranding them "narco terrorists". A governing party that increasingly is stocked with INSANE fundy nuts who declare that global warming isn't real because the bible didn't mention it, and who salivate about unleashing armageddon. The country is basically lawless at this point -- a busted plutocracy -- and the securities industry has become farcical it is filled with such grift and absolute lawless fraud.
No one holds a candle to that dangerous nuthouse. North Korea, China, Russia...no one is an iota of a danger that the rogue, war-criming United States of America is.
And the "best" part is that we're entering the era of the worst nuclear proliferation in history because of the utter insanity we've seen in the US. I suspect many "own the libs" Americans aren't going to like what inevitably comes next.
I directly described the United States of America as it is today. This is just fact, and to the entire rest of the world, America is a busted idiocracy that represents by far the greatest threat to world peace.
EDIT: Oh forgot to mention that the US is directly and openly involved in political interference in many of its allies. Alberta in Canada is a target of a massive US operation right now. Just about every European country. Which is pretty ironic given that the US is basically a fractured pseudo-country where one half of the country hates the other half, and that by all rights should be split up.
Boy, with friends like these, we'll all hope that China's nukes hit their marks with good accuracy.
Trump could literally end humanity tonight. You understand that, right? This proud-he-passed-a-dementia-test serial liar, felonious rapist was given absolutely, unquestioned control over the world's largest nuclear arsenal by the US public. Utter insanity.
Trump and FoxNews Hegseth could send the enormous US military -- screw good healthcare or education, you've got invisible planes! -- to invade Greenland or Canada or Spain. Tonight. With zero opposition.
There are zero checks or restraints on this criminal empire, and the world is seeing the results. It started internally, and that was a spectacular disaster (lol $2T deficit and spiralling economy) so now it's on to the next distraction after the other. Iran didn't give the boost he hoped for, so wonder what the next target will be. Panama? Cuba? Oh I hear they have the "Shield of the Americas" now and think they have Manifest Destiny over the entire Western Hemisphere.