(Currently adding Flux so my Gitlab k8s things auto-apply to my Homelab. No such thing as too much overkill.)
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https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1wq2orh/jeff_ge...
The reactions about this when announced on Reddit seem to contradict that:
> I'm a little disappointed that u/geerlingguy is the one running it, since he's posted some shitty beliefs about gay people that, to my knowledge, he has never retracted or disavowed.
> So he can tell all the women there they have no right to their own body?
> Hmmm I didn't know Jeff was anti-gay and anti-women's rights.
> Hi u/geerlingguy ! Are gay people allowed to attend your event?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1wq2orh/jeff_ge...
To be fair, this is a pretty tame and measured expression of disapproval of the modern societal acceptance of homosexuality. I honestly don't know what more I could ask for, in modern societal discourse, for someone I disagree with in terms of how they go about expressing it: the links I read seem to imply he was honest, polite, and clear on his feelings, not inciting hate, violence, or spewing vitriol. Jeff's views are his own, and maybe the crux here is that I don't see politely disagreeing about the righteousness of living homosexually as remotely severe enough to warrant this much attention considering the quality of character of a lot of public figures visible to those of us outside the USA.
I admit seeing a response like this irks me as I feel it needlessly detracts from the mission. That said, it's both A) fair and a good thing to judge and critique any public figure's character and I do think public figures and their views deserve scrutiny, and B) a means to continue to allow powerful people and groups to assassinate the character of and dilute the message of people who run contrary to their goals. I'm genuinely torn on how to feel about how to feel here. I worry we allow ideas to be discarded at the first sign of something we disapprove of in people who share them -which is wrong-, yet several of my best friends are queer and I also could not stand to see them trod upon. Those same queer friends all have views and personality flaws which would be judged just as harshly by others.
Regardless, I don't like you using my excerpt that way. Not everyone's views of "community" mean the classic cancel culture era idiosyncratic definition whereby anyone in any role remotely resembling leadership must share the same specific set of homogeneous views on political and cultural issues to be given any member's "consent" to lead a group. I stand by what I said and still do believe Jeff is an excellent advocate for these ideas. There are obvious limits, to be clear, I would never go to Toastmasters if the local club head spoke about killing jews, but this isn't that and IMO there are so, so many more important battles to go fight out there than this.
But the homelabbing scene, and many parts of tech in general, are generally more inclusive than many other scenes, perhaps partly because we have a very diverse community in the first place. I think it is important context, and not just a needless detraction, for a physical gathering that the organizer does not share these views.
Regardless, I do not think any interpretation of "positive community" can include the dejection of homosexuality.
Also probably because many of us were social rejects growing up. I recall my entire CS graduating class being way more accepting of people different from them as a result.
A community can simultaneously be healthy and positive while being politically disagreeable to others.
I always mark videos as sponsored if anything was provided (eg review samples) and not purchased. That never includes payments or editorial oversight, and equipment is either returned or shelved afterwards for future comparisons.
The only thing I accept money for is clearly demarcated ad integrations, like for Micro Center or Surfshark. See https://github.com/geerlingguy/youtube#sponsorships for details.
If I wanted to hype views I would not be sinking a few thousand hours into planning an event ;)
That said, why not put something in the navigation, like an About page? And why isn't this description in the FAQ? Two things I looked for and didn't find (or would have if I had read the second sentence.
I’m vaguely aware of the dude having removed a lot of rubbish ansible roles which I think he wrote over the years, and now he’s some kind of blogger or something?
He’s not a technical person, sysadmin cosplay aside — and so I think, at least here, we should only judge technical contributions; of which his is a handful of yaml files for installing apache which don’t really count for much.
I like this idea and hope someone else is inspired to run a more inclusive event.
You want equality, I’m absolutely sure you’ll be treated like everyone else there if you go to the homelab event, regardless of your alignment.
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Therefore I ignore those threads now. I have enough on my plate trying to be a good father and husband (failing often, but a little less each day!), learn more about the world and people around me, and share what I learn with other people in what ways I can.
The main reason I started HomelabFest is to bring the homelab community together, in person. Get people (myself included) away from their monitors and phones, and into real human relationships. No matter who you are or where you come from.
[1] https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2009/my-cvs-workflow-updat...
[2] Note that I don't call out individuals for tarring and feathering in public. A couple times in the past I have used a name in reference to a movement or a poor business decision, and I immediately regretted it. Reducing someone to a label or branding them for one poor decision is a quick way to dehumanize the person. Every person deserves love and dignity.
If they really cared about your private beliefs why not go further, does anyone think they vet the religion of their doctors, dentists, garbage men? Does their barista pass a written inclusivity test before they’ll get their business?
It’s bollocks and tbh you’re right not to rise to it.
I haven't done anything but ask questions and point out bigotry
You are still anti-abortion (even after rape), anti-contraceptives and anti-homosexuality, right?
"I don't eat meat."
"I won't have an abortion."
"I pray 5x a day."
"I won't be homosexual."
Versus religious coersion of:
"You cannot eat meat."
"You cannot have an abortion."
"You must pray 5x a day."
"You cannot be homosexual."
Religious types are never happy in doing only what they say and believe - they want to force these views on others, whether they like it or not. I've seen what religious imperialism does. These choices are not personal and will never be personal.
Worse yet, when you allow SOME types of hate (against women and against homosexuals), it opens the door for other hate. This is Catholic teachings, so are non-Catholics welcome? How about Jews? Moslems? How about pagans and witches? Are bisexuals welcome, since they are half-homosexual?
When you refuse to draw the line at hate, but draw it where you find it convenient, you leave the door open for hate to sneak in everywhere, under the guise of tolerating intolerance.
I put my foot down at any form of hate. Attending, paying, or otherwise supporting this event is tacit acceptance that his form of hate is acceptable.
I don't support people who advocate for policies that hurt and kill people (mostly women in this case). That cause tremendous suffering.
I can't support such people in any way, even if their personal politics have nothing to do with their work or whatever event they plan.
People can believe and support what they want, but they should not be free of consequences for such beliefs: exclusion and boycots.
Seems like an obvious slippery slope to me. While I disagree with those religious views personally, I strongly believe people should be able to hold whatever beliefs they want and shouldn’t be punished for them.
Maybe I’m just too liberal in that regard tho.
I've thought about it a fair bit, and I don't think there's really a very clear line between which religious beliefs people should politely decline to comment on, vs openly critisise. The cultural taboo that exists in much of the west against privately excluding people on the basis of religion has had some really positive effects (the marked decrease in religious violence of the past few hundred years is amazing), but it also leaves society somewhat vulnerable to the spread of some particularly cancerous ideas.
At no point did I talk about government intervention or something like that.
Just civilians being informed to make choices they want to make
Also, as we’ve seen in the case of DHH and others (https://drewdevault.com/weird-guys should not be taken as gospel, but it’s certainly a reasonable place to start), public figures have a tendency to move their “personal” business more towards their professional/public platform.
I think if you'd also say under every traditional Muslim's post "by the way this person thinks gay people should be thrown off roofs, and women's votes should be half that of men's, and they should only be able to divorce if the man consents, and men should be able to hit their wives to discipline them, and women should walk around in dehumanising clothing because only women are to blame for rape, and supports a religion that builds the most backward societies on the planet" then you'd look a lot more honest.
But you won't. Because you look away from the catastrophic stuff and instead poorly mis-summarise mild stuff that you disagree with to make it sound catastrophic.
Not a lot. But being anti <X> and letting anyone know is imposing your views on others.
Citations are here: https://louwrentius.com/jeff-geerling-is-anti-abortion-again...
Hate is hate, and religion is just the excuse.
I considered attending, given I'm only 4 hours driving away. But I wont support hate like this. We need less hatred, not more in this world.
Pass.
I meant to post this earlier but was a bit overwhelmed with all the inbound email. (Planning an event of this scale is hard, I have empathy for anyone who does it lol.)